tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263577133333272085.post5659764424717108127..comments2024-03-28T11:04:16.315+00:00Comments on Boffy's Blog: Vote Yes For An EU ReferendumBoffyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08157650969929097569noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263577133333272085.post-67998757660175848282011-11-08T03:57:17.879+00:002011-11-08T03:57:17.879+00:00We already had a debate on Engels and the non-nega...We already had a debate on Engels and the non-negatives posed by permanent *capitalist* nationalizations.<br /><br />Too many people are right now entertaining fetishes about co-op banks, credit unions, mutuals, etc. as opposed to the imperative for an (admittedly state-capitalist) institution that would make the historical Gosbank look like a pipsqueek.Jacob Richterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13595821621256547971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263577133333272085.post-16647766550255562512011-11-07T09:38:21.124+00:002011-11-07T09:38:21.124+00:00If there were an EU Workers Government, or if we w...If there were an EU Workers Government, or if we were talking about a Socialist United States of Europe I would agree. However, as the current experience of nationalised Banks by the Capitalist State shows, and as Trotsky argues in the Transitional Programme, there is no advantage for workers in having Banks owned by a powerful Capitalist State - which acts on behalf of the most powerful Capitalists - as opposed to them being owned by a range of Capitalists competing against each other.<br /><br />Personally, until we have that Workers State, I would prefer not to have the Capitalist State holding that economic power, and all that goes with it. I would rather Workers be free to own property in their own name collectively. I would not want Worker Owned Co-op Banks, Building Societies, Credit Unions, Friendly Societies etc. to be taken out of the workers hands by a State Capitalist Financial Monopoly.<br /><br />I prefer to stand on the ground of Marx and the First International, who spoke out vigorously in its Programme, and in the Programme of the French Socialists for that State to keep its greedy hands off the workers Friendly and Mutual Societies.Boffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08157650969929097569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6263577133333272085.post-32971001473123156512011-11-06T22:37:00.205+00:002011-11-06T22:37:00.205+00:00And campaign for a European Central Bank monopoly ...And campaign for a European Central Bank monopoly on all financial services in Europe!Jacob Richterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13595821621256547971noreply@blogger.com